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Yea, so that's why I have backup's.
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It’s shocking to think someone has a web site in 2018 without a backup.
True, but in the age of cloud, why even have a server anymore? Put it all up in the cloud, get 99.99 server availability and 99.99999 data durability, for much less than the cost of buying a server or traditional hosting. it is super easy and dead simple.
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Louie1961 wrote:True, but in the age of cloud, why even have a server anymore? Put it all up in the cloud, get 99.99 server availability and 99.99999 data durability, for much less than the cost of buying a server or traditional hosting. it is super easy and dead simple.
One phrase I like is "There is no cloud, it's just someone else's computer."

For sure it makes sense for web sites to be hosted by a service provider, not the content provider, in most cases. But what service provider doesn't maintain geographically disperse backups? Or perhaps the issue is that the content provider didn't bother checking how the the service provider's backups worked.

But you seem to be distinguishing "traditional hosting" from "the cloud." I'm not sure that's a valid distinction. Traditional hosting is the cloud and should include backups. But it may require that the content provider manually implement backups to some degree. I guess WW just chose a bad cloud (or ran it's own servers in an incompetent manner).
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But you seem to be distinguishing "traditional hosting" from "the cloud." I'm not sure that's a valid distinction
Actually it is a valid distinction. I work for the world largest cloud provider. The way we engineer for durability across multiple availability zones, the self healing of servers, and the autoscaling really make it much more than just somebody else's computer. We could lose entire data centers and your web site won't ever go down. The way our cloud is built is actually quite amazing.
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Traditional hosting is the cloud and should include backups.
We don't do backups in the traditional sense (tapes, and what not). We keep multiple copies of your data in object stores across multiple geographic regions. Recovery can be instant, near instant or somewhat delayed, depending on the class of object store you want to pay for. But our object store pricing is about half the cost of a traditional backup.
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@Louie1961 I appreciate your points. I do agree that “backup” takes many forms and duplication is a valid backup scheme when geographically diverse.

I agree that “cloud” implies some degree of sophistication more than just a “Web host.” I maintain that there is a huge range of what people call a “cloud” service. While Amazon may have excellent practices in this regard (as does I believe BackBlaze, etc.) I would be surprised if everyone is as competent. Are there any standards for what can be called a “cloud” service?

The “someone else’s computer” was tongue-in-cheek.
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Zap went snowmobiling, and forgot to pay the light bill.
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mechanic416 wrote:That's not nice Dave, you want to get Livingstone all upset :lol:
Haha! :D
I spent a week twisting his tail. It became like a sport. Livingstone I mean. Lol

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I had some fun with that too. :lol:
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Bill Beauregard wrote:Zap went snowmobiling, and forgot to pay the light bill.
Maybe he got a new Zapper...a Kim Dong Too Short model 3 and leveled the place. The first couple days the outage site showed a red dot over my house so I was thinking I was a Zapee
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Maybe he got a new Zapper...a Kim Dong Too Short model 3
Zap welding with anything but old American iron would scare me...kind of like invasion of the body snatchers...what pod did you hatch out of??!! LOL
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Well, they now have a pardon our dust page up... :)

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That's better news than the complete black-out. I've seen it happen before and in one case the had to start over from scratch.
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Just like life! Loose it all. Start over and make something new.
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** update **
I've been told progress is being made on the website issues :)
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MinnesotaDave wrote:** update **
I've been told progress is being made on the website issues :)
I could have built a building faster.
Actually, I have :roll:
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MinnesotaDave wrote:** update **
I've been told progress is being made on the website issues :)
I could have built a building faster.
Actually, I have :roll:
Pretty much everyone has, who cares.

I'll be sure to pass along that their computer work is slower than putting up a building... Wait, no i won't since they have nothing to do with each other...
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MinnesotaDave wrote:
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MinnesotaDave wrote:** update **
I've been told progress is being made on the website issues :)
I could have built a building faster.
Actually, I have :roll:
Pretty much everyone has, who cares.

I'll be sure to pass along that their computer work is slower than putting up a building... Wait, no i won't since they have nothing to do with each other...
Hit a raw nerve did he?
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Hit a raw nerve did he?
Not really, just don't like him :D
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Perhaps it was someone’s way of saying “ take this job and shove it”.
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Even you must realize that when you're going on 2 weeks, it is obviously not the highest priority. Any half ass technician could rebuild that server in an afternoon. I don't know the company but somewhere it was stated they had 6 or 7 major sites go down they were responsible for.
Is there any evidence they brought up their other websites before weldingweb? And yes bringing up a webserver could be a quick task. But reconstituting data might not be. And you are assuming the issue is technical and not financial. I dont think you know as much about hosting as you think you do.
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aland wrote:
Dave,

Even you must realize that when you're going on 2 weeks, it is obviously not the highest priority. Any half ass technician could rebuild that server in an afternoon. I don't know the company but somewhere it was stated they had 6 or 7 major sites go down they were responsible for.

This tells us that those other sites were much more important than WeldingWeb. If you're loosing revenue, the bean counters will be even less happy...I'm pretty sure they will get around to it when they can, it's not as if nobody is letting them know that people are waiting patiently for WeldingWeb to come back up.

I wouldn't want to be in their shoes...somebody has been in the fire for going on 2 weeks...and that is no fun...my condolences to whoever that may be... :cry:

Alan
I actually have no idea how long it takes, but I wish they would finish because there's a lot of excellent information on that website. :)

But, for all I know it's been sold and some new owner is deciding what to do with it :?:
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