Welding Tips and Tricks

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There is a post on the Weld.com forum, in off-topic area, explaining the problem with WW, server problems.
Internals Everlast vs Invertig, same comparison as KIA vs rolls royce, one costs a lot more, but main concern is does it get the job done

MinnesotaDave wrote:

mechanic416 wrote:That's not nice Dave, you want to get Livingstone all upset

Haha!

I spent a week twisting his tail. It became like a sport. Livingstone I mean. Lol

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mechanic416 wrote:That's not nice Dave, you want to get Livingstone all upset

Where is he anyways. I haven't seen him around lately.

Farmwelding wrote:

mechanic416 wrote:That's not nice Dave, you want to get Livingstone all upset

Where is he anyways. I haven't seen him around lately.

If I recall correctly, he got shown the door. I don't recall that being a secret, but a big deal wasn't made about it either.
Not trying to step on any toes, that's just what I remember and could always be wrong.
For the record, I'm not a moderator here and don't want to cause any problems.

Head weldingweb moderator posted this today:

Got it from a insider..
ALL WEBSITES ASSOCIATED WITH PENTON MEDIA HAVE CRASHED.
MAIN HOST SERVER IS DOWN..
DATA RECOVERY IS IN PROGRESS BUT...

IT DONT LOOK GOOD.

ALL INFO WILL BE PASSED ON AS I GET IT.

THAT IS ALL

wonder if they had the proverbial backups?

It’s shocking to think someone has a web site in 2018 without a backup.

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cornmuse wrote:Anybody know whats going on over at Welding Web?? Been "forbidden" for a few days now.

-corn-

I do not know it's off internet for most week

Dave

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Yea, so that's why I have backup's.

It’s shocking to think someone has a web site in 2018 without a backup.

True, but in the age of cloud, why even have a server anymore? Put it all up in the cloud, get 99.99 server availability and 99.99999 data durability, for much less than the cost of buying a server or traditional hosting. it is super easy and dead simple.

Louie1961 wrote:True, but in the age of cloud, why even have a server anymore? Put it all up in the cloud, get 99.99 server availability and 99.99999 data durability, for much less than the cost of buying a server or traditional hosting. it is super easy and dead simple.

One phrase I like is "There is no cloud, it's just someone else's computer."

For sure it makes sense for web sites to be hosted by a service provider, not the content provider, in most cases. But what service provider doesn't maintain geographically disperse backups? Or perhaps the issue is that the content provider didn't bother checking how the the service provider's backups worked.

But you seem to be distinguishing "traditional hosting" from "the cloud." I'm not sure that's a valid distinction. Traditional hosting is the cloud and should include backups. But it may require that the content provider manually implement backups to some degree. I guess WW just chose a bad cloud (or ran it's own servers in an incompetent manner).

But you seem to be distinguishing "traditional hosting" from "the cloud." I'm not sure that's a valid distinction

Actually it is a valid distinction. I work for the world largest cloud provider. The way we engineer for durability across multiple availability zones, the self healing of servers, and the autoscaling really make it much more than just somebody else's computer. We could lose entire data centers and your web site won't ever go down. The way our cloud is built is actually quite amazing.

Traditional hosting is the cloud and should include backups.

We don't do backups in the traditional sense (tapes, and what not). We keep multiple copies of your data in object stores across multiple geographic regions. Recovery can be instant, near instant or somewhat delayed, depending on the class of object store you want to pay for. But our object store pricing is about half the cost of a traditional backup.

@Louie1961 I appreciate your points. I do agree that “backup” takes many forms and duplication is a valid backup scheme when geographically diverse.

I agree that “cloud” implies some degree of sophistication more than just a “Web host.” I maintain that there is a huge range of what people call a “cloud” service. While Amazon may have excellent practices in this regard (as does I believe BackBlaze, etc.) I would be surprised if everyone is as competent. Are there any standards for what can be called a “cloud” service?

The “someone else’s computer” was tongue-in-cheek.

Zap went snowmobiling, and forgot to pay the light bill.

Warrenh wrote:

MinnesotaDave wrote:

mechanic416 wrote:That's not nice Dave, you want to get Livingstone all upset

Haha!

I spent a week twisting his tail. It became like a sport. Livingstone I mean. Lol

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I had some fun with that too.

Bill Beauregard wrote:Zap went snowmobiling, and forgot to pay the light bill.

Maybe he got a new Zapper...a Kim Dong Too Short model 3 and leveled the place. The first couple days the outage site showed a red dot over my house so I was thinking I was a Zapee

Maybe he got a new Zapper...a Kim Dong Too Short model 3

Zap welding with anything but old American iron would scare me...kind of like invasion of the body snatchers...what pod did you hatch out of??!! LOL

Well, they now have a pardon our dust page up...

Our sites are currently under maintenance.
Please try back later.

We apologize for any inconvenience.

Penton

That's better news than the complete black-out. I've seen it happen before and in one case the had to start over from scratch.

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Just like life! Loose it all. Start over and make something new.

** update **
I've been told progress is being made on the website issues