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Re: Let's talk helmets, hoods, hats ...whatever you call the

Postby WildWestWelder » Sun Apr 23, 2017 1:00 pm

Ok, I'll bite. What's a cheater lens?
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Re: Let's talk helmets, hoods, hats ...whatever you call the

Postby Otto Nobedder » Sun Apr 23, 2017 1:31 pm

WildWestWelder wrote:Ok, I'll bite. What's a cheater lens?

It's a magnifying lens (two, side-by-side, actually) in a standard 2X4 size like a small-window welding lens. They come in different "diopter" numbers like reading glasses. They mount inside the hood, over your filter lens.

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Postby electrode » Mon Apr 24, 2017 9:44 pm

Otto Nobedder wrote:
WildWestWelder wrote:Ok, I'll bite. What's a cheater lens?

It's a magnifying lens (two, side-by-side, actually) in a standard 2X4 size like a small-window welding lens. They come in different "diopter" numbers like reading glasses. They mount inside the hood, over your filter lens.

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My trick is to wear reading glasses that allow me to see good enough when in the shop. Then I also have a cheater lens in the hood that together with the reading glasses makes it so I can see the weld puddle perfect, but still be able to see pretty good without having to put glasses back on when I lift the hood. 8-)
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Re: Let's talk helmets, hoods, hats ...whatever you call the

Postby exnailpounder » Tue Apr 25, 2017 8:22 am

electrode wrote:
Otto Nobedder wrote:
WildWestWelder wrote:Ok, I'll bite. What's a cheater lens?

It's a magnifying lens (two, side-by-side, actually) in a standard 2X4 size like a small-window welding lens. They come in different "diopter" numbers like reading glasses. They mount inside the hood, over your filter lens.

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My trick is to wear reading glasses that allow me to see good enough when in the shop. Then I also have a cheater lens in the hood that together with the reading glasses makes it so I can see the weld puddle perfect, but still be able to see pretty good without having to put glasses back on when I lift the hood. 8-)

Huh? Do you weld with glasses and a cheater at the same time? I do. I have to have my face stuck in the weld like that but I can see it amazingly well. If I can't get my face in close, I have to take the glasses off. When I mig, I only use the cheater. I wish I could find a good glass cheater instead of the chinese plastic POS's.
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Postby cj737 » Tue Apr 25, 2017 10:06 am

exnailpounder wrote:Huh? Do you weld with glasses and a cheater at the same time? I do. I have to have my face stuck in the weld like that but I can see it amazingly well. If I can't get my face in close, I have to take the glasses off. When I mig, I only use the cheater. I wish I could find a good glass cheater instead of the chinese plastic POS's.
I wear progressive lens glasses and use a cheater. This allows me the greatest flexibility when I can't get in as close as I'd like, or when I need to stand back (think 6010 rod) and still see. I'll stick with the inexpensive plastic cheaters as they are susceptible to damage and wear and are inexpensive enough to replace. My glass lenses are not. I've had them do their job of protecting my eyes from flying objects and get chipped badly enough to require replacement. Cheaper than a visit to the Ophthalmologist surgeon, but the Optician took her pound of flesh.
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Postby Oscar » Tue Apr 25, 2017 5:37 pm

two words: Optrel e684. Have you seen how often Jody is using it in his videos lately? All of them. ;)
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Postby Otto Nobedder » Tue Apr 25, 2017 9:16 pm

cj737 wrote:
exnailpounder wrote:Huh? Do you weld with glasses and a cheater at the same time? I do. I have to have my face stuck in the weld like that but I can see it amazingly well. If I can't get my face in close, I have to take the glasses off. When I mig, I only use the cheater. I wish I could find a good glass cheater instead of the chinese plastic POS's.
I wear progressive lens glasses and use a cheater. This allows me the greatest flexibility when I can't get in as close as I'd like, or when I need to stand back (think 6010 rod) and still see. I'll stick with the inexpensive plastic cheaters as they are susceptible to damage and wear and are inexpensive enough to replace. My glass lenses are not. I've had them do their job of protecting my eyes from flying objects and get chipped badly enough to require replacement. Cheaper than a visit to the Ophthalmologist surgeon, but the Optician took her pound of flesh.


I absolutely despise "progressive lenses" for welding. I'm happy you like them, but I cannot deal with changing focus as my view angle changes and cannot, will not recommend them for anyone who doesn't weld on a bench.

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Postby cj737 » Wed Apr 26, 2017 9:43 pm

Otto Nobedder wrote:
cj737 wrote:
exnailpounder wrote:Huh? Do you weld with glasses and a cheater at the same time? I do. I have to have my face stuck in the weld like that but I can see it amazingly well. If I can't get my face in close, I have to take the glasses off. When I mig, I only use the cheater. I wish I could find a good glass cheater instead of the chinese plastic POS's.
I wear progressive lens glasses and use a cheater. This allows me the greatest flexibility when I can't get in as close as I'd like, or when I need to stand back (think 6010 rod) and still see. I'll stick with the inexpensive plastic cheaters as they are susceptible to damage and wear and are inexpensive enough to replace. My glass lenses are not. I've had them do their job of protecting my eyes from flying objects and get chipped badly enough to require replacement. Cheaper than a visit to the Ophthalmologist surgeon, but the Optician took her pound of flesh.


I absolutely despise "progressive lenses" for welding. I'm happy you like them, but I cannot deal with changing focus as my view angle changes and cannot, will not recommend them for anyone who doesn't weld on a bench.

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It's not by choice, it's by necessity that I wear them. I highly recommend eating more carrots when younger to avoid wearing them later in life.. :D
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Re: Let's talk helmets, hoods, hats ...whatever you call the

Postby Farmwelding » Wed Apr 26, 2017 10:23 pm

Poland308 wrote:
Farmwelding wrote:The titanium series from Miller is cool. Flip up the auto dark and have a grind shield. I'm gonna get the 1600i soon. Passive shade with the grind shield. As for construction sites and helmets with grind modes. I thought they were up to snuff with osha and all the other alphabet organizations?


For big companies like P&G, DuPont, or ADM. it's not osha you have to listen to. The onsite company safety people are way more strict.

So even like a purloined hood either the flip up or a Miller titanium with a 180 degree grind shield doesn't count?
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Postby Otto Nobedder » Wed Apr 26, 2017 11:39 pm

cj737 wrote:It's not by choice, it's by necessity that I wear them. I highly recommend eating more carrots when younger to avoid wearing them later in life.. :D


Did you even read my comment before you replied? I understand necessity. Also, the carrot thing is pure bullshit, or I would still be 20/10.

I tried Progressive lenses. Wore them for a year. HATED them. I mean F@#KING HATED them.

I wear only standard bifocals now. I will get trifocals before I'll weld in "progressives" again.

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