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If your newest favorite welder let you down.........

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If your newest favorite welder let you down.........

Postby Ryan » Sun Feb 04, 2018 3:19 am

I have an Esab Rebel 235ic. I have an updated review of it in the Product Reviews discussion board. Check it out if you havent yet. So I have had it for about 9 months now. It has pooped out on me. It also has made me look bad to a couple customers. Im the only guy in the county that will do any kind of welding and fabrication on a regular basis. I also have a 4x8 JD2 CNC plasma table that should be running this week. Which means more business. So I will be getting busier very soon.

Monday I have to bring this poorly functioning welder back to the LWS. I am thinking about asking them to buy it back. The guy told me if I dont like it he will buy it back and get me into another machine. I just dont know if that is what I want to do. I definitely want a machine that wont screw me over again in less than nine months. I just dont know what other machine I would want. I do have a Lincoln Wire-Matic 255 and it's a pretty good machine. However it is old and It's given me some tiffs in the past. It also needs a new torch. Nor does it run the dual-shield as nice as the rebel. I use dual-shield everywhere I can. Now I cant get rid of the Lincoln because it's my only back up. Without a backup Im screwed. BUT I kind of have my eye on a Lincoln Precision Tig 225. It's a tried and true transformer machine. Ive used one and really liked it. It would also give me AC tig which could equate into more work. As things are right now Im pretty sore from a basically new machine dying on me. I like all the features and capability of the Rebel but might not ever trust it again. Ya know that feeling when you get out of prison and nobody is there to pick you up? Well, I dont. BUT Im pretty sure thats how I felt when the rebel shot out some fidos butt welds and I had a customer(and neighbor) on the way to pick up that splitter. It's just good they know me well.

So what would you do? If you dumped the rebel, what would you get in it's place? I know it's kind of an open ended question but most folks have way more experience with this stuff than I do. Any particular machine you might spring for instead? Oh yeah dont forget I have a new cnc plasma along with a ht powermax 85. Sooo my wallet is a little on the light side now. To say the least.
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Re: If your newest favorite welder let you down.........

Postby cj737 » Sun Feb 04, 2018 9:49 am

The PrecisionTig or a SynchroWave. Budget based recommendation.
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Re: If your newest favorite welder let you down.........

Postby sedanman » Sun Feb 04, 2018 10:32 am

The PT225 is a dinosaur. For the same money you can get an HTP221, a far superior machine. But neither will support a wire feeder.
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Re: If your newest favorite welder let you down.........

Postby Ryan » Sun Feb 04, 2018 11:44 am

I would like to have the HTP Invertig221. However, I priced the PT225 when I bought the Esab and I could get it just under $2K with torch and pedal. The HTP is much more.

As for the PT225 being a dinosaur, maybe that is what I need. I looked at the synchro. I need to test drive one. Other than being a "dinosaur", is there anything bad to say about it? If they do buy it back I dont know if they will write me a check or give me some kind of credit with my LWS.
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Re: If your newest favorite welder let you down.........

Postby MinnesotaDave » Sun Feb 04, 2018 11:56 am

I'm not sure I read you right, you want to replace a wire feed with a precision tig?

Just curious, what stick welder do you use?
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Re: If your newest favorite welder let you down.........

Postby Ryan » Sun Feb 04, 2018 1:30 pm

Im actually not sure what I want to do at this point. Im tired of looking at machines and comparing features blah blah blah. I just want to get to work with a machine that flat out runs.

If I can ditch the Rebel for a reliable machine I will. I have a Lincoln Wire-Matic 255 that I keep at another shop where I do occasional repairs and fabrication. I will be fetching it today. I bought the Rebel because I wasnt entirely happy with it. I have been using the Esab for everything. Now I have to use the Bobcat 225 for stick. I have no other tig machine. So I am thinking of getting a tig machine. Dont know. I just have a gut feeling the wire-matic is going to die on me too.
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Re: If your newest favorite welder let you down.........

Postby sedanman » Sun Feb 04, 2018 3:00 pm

Ryan wrote:I would like to have the HTP Invertig221. However, I priced the PT225 when I bought the Esab and I could get it just under $2K with torch and pedal. The HTP is much more.

As for the PT225 being a dinosaur, maybe that is what I need. I looked at the synchro. I need to test drive one. Other than being a "dinosaur", is there anything bad to say about it? If they do buy it back I dont know if they will write me a check or give me some kind of credit with my LWS.


The air cooled 220 volt HTP is 2,495, it's a little more money but a ton more features. It comes with a torch and a pedal. The PT225 has almost no adjustments and the work lead is hard wired.
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Re: If your newest favorite welder let you down.........

Postby tungstendipper » Sun Feb 04, 2018 3:37 pm

I'll bet they don't buy it back. I hope not.
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Re: If your newest favorite welder let you down.........

Postby PeteM » Sun Feb 04, 2018 7:33 pm

Just my opinion- You can't just run a business on a hobbyist/light duty grade machine. I know people love them for what they are, and they are super cool for a home owner, but they just aren't up to snuff for commercial duty.

That being said, sorry to hear that it happened.
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Re: If your newest favorite welder let you down.........

Postby Ryan » Sun Feb 04, 2018 7:40 pm

It isnt considered a light duty/hobbyist machine. That is a pricey hobby.
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