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Postby 301 » Thu May 11, 2017 6:07 am

Hey all,
I recently purchased an ac/dc stick/tig machine mainly because I want to learn tig. My experience is solely aluminum mig. I picked up some lincoln 3/32 7018 to test out stick. Is the 7018 a good choice for learning stacking beads and is there another rod you would recommend during my learning process?
The machine is the alphatig 200x
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Re: Rod Choice

Postby Poland308 » Thu May 11, 2017 7:08 am

It's a good choice. It's a versatile rod. Good for any position. An industry standard. The 3/32 size will be easier to control for learning as well. I do pipe work. Mostly in position. So I use 3/32 90% of the time I'm stick welding.
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Re: Rod Choice

Postby 301 » Thu May 11, 2017 10:42 am

I thought I was doing good with the 7018 until I realized the glowing red stick. Weld beads look better than my mig beads. Good ground,tight arc 75-85 amps, getting about 10" per rod. Then noticed 7018ac. I thought that may have been the problem so I switched to ac and glow stick once again. I'm assuming the glowing stick is not normal. I dropped down to 70 amps and played hell with sticking the rod. Any ideas on what else I can try to avoid the glow stick?
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Re: Rod Choice

Postby Farmwelding » Thu May 11, 2017 10:55 am

301 wrote:I thought I was doing good with the 7018 until I realized the glowing red stick. Weld beads look better than my mig beads. Good ground,tight arc 75-85 amps, getting about 10" per rod. Then noticed 7018ac. I thought that may have been the problem so I switched to ac and glow stick once again. I'm assuming the glowing stick is not normal. I dropped down to 70 amps and played hell with sticking the rod. Any ideas on what else I can try to avoid the glow stick?

Go watch Jody's video on vertical uphill 7018s. At one point he discusses it,. If it is glowing you are on the hot side of the amperage and with such a small rod it heats up pretty quick.
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Re: Rod Choice

Postby cj737 » Thu May 11, 2017 10:56 am

Glowing red is an indication your amps a wee bit high. Probably 78-82 amps should do the trick if 85 is too high and 70 too low.

Also, if you are welding all the way to the end of the rod to maximize the distance, the rod will be much hotter in your stinger. So, lower amps or shorter runs ;) I run 7018 3/32 really hot (90-95 amps) on my machine, but each machine can vary.
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Re: Rod Choice

Postby Farmwelding » Thu May 11, 2017 10:59 am

You can always grab some 1/8" because you'l need to run both probably at some point so you may as well get used to it.
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Re: Rod Choice

Postby 301 » Thu May 11, 2017 11:06 am

I'm heading out shortly to pick up a couple different rods to learn the differences in how they weld. I'll be sure to get some 1/8. I'll also run some beads and increase one amp per rod.
Thanks for the input
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Re: Rod Choice

Postby Farmwelding » Thu May 11, 2017 11:30 am

301 wrote:I'm heading out shortly to pick up a couple different rods to learn the differences in how they weld. I'll be sure to get some 1/8. I'll also run some beads and increase one amp per rod.
Thanks for the input
Chris

Just don't buy 6010s they won't run on that machine of yours. Learn to use 6011s though-they are quite useful
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Re: Rod Choice

Postby 301 » Thu May 11, 2017 6:43 pm

Picked up some 6011. Different animal than 7018. It's not as easy as I hoped it would be but a fun learning experience. Makes mig welding seem like a breeze. I'm sure I'll have many more questions. Thanks for the advice
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Re: Rod Choice

Postby Farmwelding » Thu May 11, 2017 7:20 pm

301 wrote:Picked up some 6011. Different animal than 7018. It's not as easy as I hoped it would be but a fun learning experience. Makes mig welding seem like a breeze. I'm sure I'll have many more questions. Thanks for the advice

Huh... Usually mig welding is the easy one but hey-if that's what's good with you that's good. Maybe it's my day being filled with fellow high school students sticking electrodes all day and never being able to get them started and then running mig because trigger is easier. Good for you though man-like to see some pics some time
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