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6010 uphill.. Frustrating

Postby Skiddz » Sun Feb 04, 2018 2:53 pm

Pretty much a n00b welder, have done a LITTLE bit of Oxy/Acetylene and one small project with a wire feed, but have never ventured into SMAW until I enrolled in a class at the local Jr. College. Doing ok with flat and fillet welds using 6010, (1/8") but we did 6010 uphill last session and that pretty much frustrated the entire class. While we did make improvements after trying different movement techniques, the results towards the end of class were pretty much what we started calling, "Dinosaur backbones".

We started at 95 amps, DCEN and a bunch of us tried down to 85 and up to 110 or so with no real change.

I've watched video after video on this, but the only uphill 6010 vid I can find is from that ChuckE2009 guy on YouTube and you can't really see what's he's doing.

I get that it'll take practice, but at this point, I'm not even sure what I'm doing wrong. Anybody got any tips/tricks?
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Re: 6010 uphill.. Frustrating

Postby MinnesotaDave » Sun Feb 04, 2018 3:38 pm

Wouldn't the instructor be able to show you the proper way to do it and then watch and coach you?

It's really the fastest way.
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Re: 6010 uphill.. Frustrating

Postby Poland308 » Sun Feb 04, 2018 7:40 pm

If it’s an open butt joint try a 1/8 inch gap with 1/8 land. Then run a 1/8 6010 at about 75-80 amps.
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Re: 6010 uphill.. Frustrating

Postby cj737 » Sun Feb 04, 2018 10:39 pm

Its for 6011, but principle is exactly the same
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5f_UUo9i7IY
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Re: 6010 uphill.. Frustrating

Postby MinnesotaDave » Sun Feb 04, 2018 10:47 pm

cj737 wrote:Its for 6011, but principle is exactly the same
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5f_UUo9i7IY


Yep that's a good one :)
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Re: 6010 uphill.. Frustrating

Postby Skiddz » Mon Feb 05, 2018 4:07 am

MinnesotaDave wrote:Wouldn't the instructor be able to show you the proper way to do it and then watch and coach you?

It's really the fastest way.


Hmm... I typed out a reply earlier, but not seeing it now. Oh well.

Yes, the instructor ran a couple passes for us, but it's hard to see with 10 guys crowded around one bench. As I'm one of the taller guys in the class, I get to stand in the back making it even harder to see.

He also explained we could "make little 4s, triangles, crescent moons and whip/pause" as we practiced. I did them all and my best (which was still pretty poor) was the little 4 technique.

I did just watch the video cj737 posted the link to. That actually helped to get an idea of the timing/travel speed. I'll watch it again a couple more times before class on Tuesday and run a couple dozen more passes. Hopefully it will start getting better.

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Re: 6010 uphill.. Frustrating

Postby MinnesotaDave » Mon Feb 05, 2018 8:11 am

Skiddz wrote:
MinnesotaDave wrote:Wouldn't the instructor be able to show you the proper way to do it and then watch and coach you?

It's really the fastest way.


Hmm... I typed out a reply earlier, but not seeing it now. Oh well.

Yes, the instructor ran a couple passes for us, but it's hard to see with 10 guys crowded around one bench. As I'm one of the taller guys in the class, I get to stand in the back making it even harder to see.

He also explained we could "make little 4s, triangles, crescent moons and whip/pause" as we practiced. I did them all and my best (which was still pretty poor) was the little 4 technique.

I did just watch the video cj737 posted the link to. That actually helped to get an idea of the timing/travel speed. I'll watch it again a couple more times before class on Tuesday and run a couple dozen more passes. Hopefully it will start getting better.

Thanks all!


Just remember it's not really all about timing, the movements are also based on what you see the puddle doing.

That split second when the puddle fills out to the same size as the one below it is when you whip up.

When everything is going well, it ends up looking like a timed movement.

After I do demonstrations I rotate through the booths and weld with each student at least once per class.
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Re: 6010 uphill.. Frustrating

Postby cj737 » Mon Feb 05, 2018 10:14 am

I'll just say this: welding 6010 is not something you can "learn" by watching. It is a very tricky rod to learn, uphill even harder, so don't become frustrated too early. Until you have burned about 50# of it in every direction, consider yourself a COMPLETE novice. Then, you begin again with your non-dominant hand ;) I can weld most everything else well enough, but 6010 STILL kicks my arse all around the block. I basically suck at it, truth be told. But I can run 7018 with a mirror off hand. Go figure...
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Re: 6010 uphill.. Frustrating

Postby Poland308 » Mon Feb 05, 2018 8:04 pm

cj737 wrote:I'll just say this: welding 6010 is not something you can "learn" by watching. It is a very tricky rod to learn, uphill even harder, so don't become frustrated too early. Until you have burned about 50# of it in every direction, consider yourself a COMPLETE novice. Then, you begin again with your non-dominant hand ;) I can weld most everything else well enough, but 6010 STILL kicks my arse all around the block. I basically suck at it, truth be told. But I can run 7018 with a mirror off hand. Go figure...


Totally agree 50# is a good bench mark.
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Re: 6010 uphill.. Frustrating

Postby tweake » Mon Feb 05, 2018 9:31 pm

Skiddz wrote:
We started at 95 amps, DCEN ...............

is that a typo or is the problem your running DCEN instead of DCEP ?
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