Olivero wrote:I love that I get to tell the customer, "I used a special filler rod just for this to maximize strength" makes their knees wobble man. Amazing stuff
If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, then baffle 'em with bullshit
Quote of the year right there!
I try the brilliance route occasionally, I love how some people just nod and say "aha" "aaaaah" "yeah" to some of the things you say.
"look right here, see that? that was welded with a back purge to prevent carbide precipitation and to keep the passive layer in place and allow the chrome to oxidize to form that layer to keep the stainless, stainless"
exnailpounder wrote:I finally scored some 4943 AL filler. Been dying to see the differences. Just a coincidence that Jody came out with a new vid a few hours ago that shows him and his friend JD welding up a project using 4943. I thought I would put in my 2cts.
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The pic to the left , a gapped butt, 4043 filler. Middle is gapped butt 4943. Lap joint is 4943. I didn't notice anything profound between the 2 fillers as far as how they welded other than it seemed the 4943 stood up better at the frequency I was welding at (150 hertz). It also seemed that 4943 produced a cleaner shinier weld I was welding on brand new, properly cleaned metal. The puddle was more behaved with 4943 as it seems 4043 wets out further. I don't know if I could choose one over the other. I am going to play with 4943 a little more.
Watched Jody's new vid today also, actually they used 4043, but Jody did mention he's starting to like 4943
exnailpounder wrote: Alas Sam I know you hate Alco Tec filler I understand your co-workers ignorance...my favorite say is "you can lead a horse to water"...I just thought 4943 was going to "transform" me.
I was asked, in 10th grade, to use "horticulture" in a sentence. I was sent to the vice-principle's office for, "You can lead a whore to culture, but you can't make her think." Mr. Benson loved the joke, and I got away with it.
That said, I particularly like 4943 when welding lower alloys out of position. You're not going to sense much difference playing with it in 1G/1F positions. It shines in vertical and overhead, especially pipe and tube. I did a very difficult to reach 5g tube repair and 5F vacuum weld today using the 4943 LS Customs sent me. The tube repair (3/4" .063 wall, 3003) came out with very nice root reinforcement despite welding between the 3 o'clock to 7 o'clock positions, speaking to it's ability to wet out without becoming watery.
exnailpounder wrote:I finally scored some 4943 AL filler. Been dying to see the differences. Just a coincidence that Jody came out with a new vid a few hours ago that shows him and his friend JD welding up a project using 4943. I thought I would put in my 2cts.
20170509_155156.jpg
The pic to the left , a gapped butt, 4043 filler. Middle is gapped butt 4943. Lap joint is 4943. I didn't notice anything profound between the 2 fillers as far as how they welded other than it seemed the 4943 stood up better at the frequency I was welding at (150 hertz). It also seemed that 4943 produced a cleaner shinier weld I was welding on brand new, properly cleaned metal. The puddle was more behaved with 4943 as it seems 4043 wets out further. I don't know if I could choose one over the other. I am going to play with 4943 a little more.
Watched Jody's new vid today also, actually they used 4043, but Jody did mention he's starting to like 4943
exnailpounder wrote: Alas Sam I know you hate Alco Tec filler I understand your co-workers ignorance...my favorite say is "you can lead a horse to water"...I just thought 4943 was going to "transform" me.
I was asked, in 10th grade, to use "horticulture" in a sentence. I was sent to the vice-principle's office for, "You can lead a whore to culture, but you can't make her think." Mr. Benson loved the joke, and I got away with it.
That said, I particularly like 4943 when welding lower alloys out of position. You're not going to sense much difference playing with it in 1G/1F positions. It shines in vertical and overhead, especially pipe and tube. I did a very difficult to reach 5g tube repair and 5F vacuum weld today using the 4943 LS Customs sent me. The tube repair (3/4" .063 wall, 3003) came out with very nice root reinforcement despite welding between the 3 o'clock to 7 o'clock positions, speaking to it's ability to wet out without becoming watery.
Steve
What I did notice was that it doesn't wet out as much as 4043. That's apparent in the middle weld.
Benny Hill..What's the difference between a vitamin and a hormone? You can make a vitamin. Get it?
Olivero wrote:I love that I get to tell the customer, "I used a special filler rod just for this to maximize strength" makes their knees wobble man. Amazing stuff
If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, then baffle 'em with bullshit
Quote of the year right there!
I try the brilliance route occasionally, I love how some people just nod and say "aha" "aaaaah" "yeah" to some of the things you say.
"look right here, see that? that was welded with a back purge to prevent carbide precipitation and to keep the passive layer in place and allow the chrome to oxidize to form that layer to keep the stainless, stainless"
"yeah, I see that"
Like talking to the wife...my mouth is moving but she just hears...blah blah blah.
exnailpounder wrote:
What I did notice was that it doesn't wet out as much as 4043. That's apparent in the middle weld.
Benny Hill..What's the difference between a vitamin and a hormone? You can make a vitamin. Get it?
First, yes, I get it...
How do you make anti-freeze? Hide her nightgown. (As told by Buggs Bunny on old Looney Tunes.)
Yeah, the "not wetting out as much" thing is what makes 4943 nice in out-of-position welds. Instead of spreading out like butter melting in a hot pan, it holds together, as in your center picture. It also does this in the root of the weld, giving internal reinforcement, rather than "wetting out" and sagging/sucking back.
exnailpounder wrote:
What I did notice was that it doesn't wet out as much as 4043. That's apparent in the middle weld.
Benny Hill..What's the difference between a vitamin and a hormone? You can make a vitamin. Get it?
First, yes, I get it...
How do you make anti-freeze? Hide her nightgown. (As told by Buggs Bunny on old Looney Tunes.)
Yeah, the "not wetting out as much" thing is what makes 4943 nice in out-of-position welds. Instead of spreading out like butter melting in a hot pan, it holds together, as in your center picture. It also does this in the root of the weld, giving internal reinforcement, rather than "wetting out" and sagging/sucking back.
Steve
That is probably the best description you are going to get of that difference, I have noticed the same thing, just never had a way to express it other than "it welds better"
Speaking of hormones and wive's that don't listen...here is a good joke.
Deaf Sex
Two deaf people get married and during the first week of marriage they find that they are unable to communicate in the bedroom with the lights out since they can't see each other signing, or read lips. After several nights of fumbling around and many misunderstandings, the wife figures out a solution.
She writes a note to her husband: 'Honey, why don't we agree on some simple signals? For instance, at night, if you want to have sex with me, reach over and squeeze my left breast one time. If you don't want to have sex, reach over and squeeze my right breast two times.
The husband thinks this is a great idea. He writes back to his wife that if she wants to have sex with him, reach over and pull on his penis one time. If she doesn't want to have sex, pull on his penis two hundred and fifty times.
electrode wrote:Speaking of hormones and wive's that don't listen...here is a good joke.
Deaf Sex
Two deaf people get married and during the first week of marriage they find that they are unable to communicate in the bedroom with the lights out since they can't see each other signing, or read lips. After several nights of fumbling around and many misunderstandings, the wife figures out a solution.
She writes a note to her husband: 'Honey, why don't we agree on some simple signals? For instance, at night, if you want to have sex with me, reach over and squeeze my left breast one time. If you don't want to have sex, reach over and squeeze my right breast two times.
The husband thinks this is a great idea. He writes back to his wife that if she wants to have sex with him, reach over and pull on his penis one time. If she doesn't want to have sex, pull on his penis two hundred and fifty times.
Two years ago, I'd probably have deleted that out-of-hand. Today, I cut-and-pasted it to share with my boss.
We probably should be a little more restrained on these jokes. As fun as they are, we have new members every day, and I'd hate for us to be misunderstood before they get to know us.
Otto Nobedder wrote:We probably should be a little more restrained on these jokes. As fun as they are, we have new members every day, and I'd hate for us to be misunderstood before they get to know us.
Steve
So after their first hijacked thread they should know us pretty well, huh? (Exnailpounder and Farm boy)
Otto Nobedder wrote:We probably should be a little more restrained on these jokes. As fun as they are, we have new members every day, and I'd hate for us to be misunderstood before they get to know us.
Steve
So after their first hijacked thread they should know us pretty well, huh? (Exnailpounder and Farm boy)
Yeah right! This was MY thread you guys hi-jacked...I have no idea how to jack my own thread New people need to realize that this isn't like the other sites where egos rule. We have very little of that here and the super stars usually come and go pretty quickly. It's nice that total noobs can show up here and ask questions without fear of ridicule...they just can't fear a thread-jack...cause it's gonna happen...when Farmboy shows up
We've jettisoned the use of 4043 for 4943 on 6xxx TIG back in 2015. Our decision was based on the net gained increase in yield/tensile strength of welded 4943, especially in fillet joints. From our perspective, the added Mg of 4943 provides a subtle edge in weld pool fluidity and wet-in during arclight. 4043 is fine and is used everyday by fabricators with excellent results. Our LWS also supports our interests and sources the 4943 in 10# stacks for us at an excellent price.
5356 and 4047 are additional weapons of choice for us, based on 5xxx, cast, and Anodized applications. Other Aluminum alloy fillers ride along for fringes for unique applications and base metal matching.
If you are unable to weld properly using 4043, 4943 will not solve your issues. Focused hood time via training, intent, and material preparation will.
Discover the industry motivation, concept of base metal dilution with welded Aluminum alloys, and comparative metallurgy properties of 4943 and 4043 at ITW - Development of Alloy 4943.
Purpose, then passion. Practitionership. Obsession and hard work. That's the discipline.
Otto Nobedder wrote:We probably should be a little more restrained on these jokes. As fun as they are, we have new members every day, and I'd hate for us to be misunderstood before they get to know us.
Steve
So after their first hijacked thread they should know us pretty well, huh? (Exnailpounder and Farm boy)
Yeah right! This was MY thread you guys hi-jacked...I have no idea how to jack my own thread New people need to realize that this isn't like the other sites where egos rule. We have very little of that here and the super stars usually come and go pretty quickly. It's nice that total noobs can show up here and ask questions without fear of ridicule...they just can't fear a thread-jack...cause it's gonna happen...when Farmboy shows up
The only reason I became so connected to this forum is because of how laid back it is. The fact that you can thoroughly AND I MEAN THOROUGHLY derail these thread time and time again and still answer the persons question is what makes it awesome
I got a sick new build I did yesterday to swagger up my refrigeration work with a spanky new cart, gonna post some pictures later.
Wondering how its related to this thread? It's all done with 4943, BAM! supreme strength
I agree completely. All I was suggesting was that we choose our jokes carefully. It's an area where I catch myself being competitive, and I have to police myself carefully to not put up something that could sound racist or otherwise potentially offensive to any of our members. Sometimes, alcohol has affected my judgement, and I've posted the inappropriate... only to see it on the page, and quickly take it down. When it's too much for the forum, I've been known to share via PM.
Arclight Ironworks wrote:We've jettisoned the use of 4043 for 4943 on 6xxx TIG back in 2015. Our decision was based on the net gained increase in yield/tensile strength of welded 4943, especially in fillet joints. From our perspective, the added Mg of 4943 provides a subtle edge in weld pool fluidity and wet-in during arclight. 4043 is fine and is used everyday by fabricators with excellent results. Our LWS also supports our interests and sources the 4943 in 10# stacks for us at an excellent price.
5356 and 4047 are additional weapons of choice for us, based on 5xxx, cast, and Anodized applications. Other Aluminum alloy fillers ride along for fringes for unique applications and base metal matching.
If you are unable to weld properly using 4043, 4943 will not solve your issues. Focused hood time via training, intent, and material preparation will.
Discover the industry motivation, concept of base metal dilution with welded Aluminum alloys, and comparative metallurgy properties of 4943 and 4043 at ITW - Development of Alloy 4943.
I've read other, shorter versions that appear to come from this document - I think that's an excellent write-up on 4943
Their conclusion is pretty direct in favor of 4943.
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Dave J.
Beware of false knowledge; it is more dangerous than ignorance. ~George Bernard Shaw~
Syncro 350
Invertec v250-s
Thermal Arc 161 and 300
MM210
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Tried being normal once, didn't take....I think it was a Tuesday.
Otto Nobedder wrote:I agree completely. All I was suggesting was that we choose our jokes carefully. It's an area where I catch myself being competitive, and I have to police myself carefully to not put up something that could sound racist or otherwise potentially offensive to any of our members. Sometimes, alcohol has affected my judgement, and I've posted the inappropriate... only to see it on the page, and quickly take it down. When it's too much for the forum, I've been known to share via PM.
Steve
Strictly person opinion, I find the sexual innuendo derails to be ridiculous.
Members bragging about "teaching" this stuff to young people is even worse.
I'm not saying I've always shown perfect judgement online, I'm human so clearly I haven't.
Dave J.
Beware of false knowledge; it is more dangerous than ignorance. ~George Bernard Shaw~
Syncro 350
Invertec v250-s
Thermal Arc 161 and 300
MM210
Dialarc
Tried being normal once, didn't take....I think it was a Tuesday.
Otto Nobedder wrote:I agree completely. All I was suggesting was that we choose our jokes carefully. It's an area where I catch myself being competitive, and I have to police myself carefully to not put up something that could sound racist or otherwise potentially offensive to any of our members. Sometimes, alcohol has affected my judgement, and I've posted the inappropriate... only to see it on the page, and quickly take it down. When it's too much for the forum, I've been known to share via PM.
Steve
I'll stick my neck out and say that the likelihood of that happening here is about the same as that of hell freezing over !
(Exnailpounder and Farm boy) 
