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Toofpik
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I'd have to try it on scrap first. Anodized aluminum is a no-go for welding it directly, but as a backer, I dont know. I'd be real careful and experiment on some copper that I could do without first. Worth a shot just to prove it one way or the other.

What I just found today that I might try is ceramic knife sharpening rods. They are really inexpensive on Ebay compared to the rods sold as backup tape. I'm thinking I can make the v-shaped back support brakeshape out of stainless sheet like I was planning already, but make it so it "saddles" the rods and together clamps on the backside with the rods in compression contact with the seam, it will have flanges on either side for clamping, and then maybe some stainless flat bar on either side of the front side of the joint to keep everything tight and in line. Using stainless clamping bars rather than aluminum because heat dissipates through copper so fast anyway, that's what makes it harder to TIG weld copper and is why helium is a better gas for TIG welding copper...helium produces a hotter gas envelope allowing the immediate area to come to temp faster.

This is where using anodized aluminum can be counterproductive. Rapid heat loss.

Aluminum is a "chilling" metal for clamping and I use it all the time for stainless. Not only will stainless not readily fuse to it, but the chilling action of the aluminum reduces warpage. With copper you have the opposite problem of heat racing away from the weld joint too fast, so using stainless bar on the sides of a weld joint would help retain that heat locally and accelerate the time it takes for the weld joint to become molten and stable. Copper is freaky to weld, it takes a good hand and senses to be able to move the TIG torch slower and faster as needed. Copper will sit there and look like its not melting, then BAM! you've burned through it if not careful. And I use the same sheet stock, stripped on a shear, in to wire, as a filler metal, so there are no additives to help stabilize the puddle like silicon...AND that custom filler wire gets hot really fast! You have to have several strands of it handy because you have to put them down and switch to a cold one as you are welding, the heat races up the wire so fast it becomes hard to hold...and I'm a barehanded TIG wire feeder.

I hate a glove on my filler wire hand. I dont know any good welder that can weld productively that uses a glove on the filler hand except in super high amperage situations like thick aluminum. Most welders I know often dont use any gloves when TIG welding, especially for stainless and steel welding where the heat isn't as bad. I almost always use a glove on my torch hand by habit...I like to have my hand closer to the torch end than some people. I laugh when I see video of someone TIG welding and their torch hand is way back on the handle and a big fat glove on the filler wire hand; they are either a student or work in a place that insists on it due to safety rules. The real men I know usually remove safety devices! Too hard to productively work around! and yes we get burned and injured...in my upbringing even at 16 years old in my first year of welding class, we were taught that being a welder meant getting hurt, deal with it and sacrifice your body for the weld! I dont think they teach that way anymore in school...especially high school Vo-Tech...what remains of those in today's America...and that's why its hard to find really good productive welders anymore...not enough real men out there to fill the jobs...and is why you see very few women in the field...they simply would rather not get hurt! And you WILL get hurt at some point in a metal shop...or you are not working hard enough!
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Sounds like moonshine might be involved :D
cj737
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Toofpik wrote: I hate a glove on my filler wire hand. I dont know any good welder that can weld productively that uses a glove on the filler hand except in super high amperage situations like thick aluminum. Most welders I know often dont use any gloves when TIG welding, especially for stainless and steel welding where the heat isn't as bad. I almost always use a glove on my torch hand by habit...I like to have my hand closer to the torch end than some people. I laugh when I see video of someone TIG welding and their torch hand is way back on the handle and a big fat glove on the filler wire hand; they are either a student or work in a place that insists on it due to safety rules. The real men I know usually remove safety devices! Too hard to productively work around! and yes we get burned and injured...in my upbringing even at 16 years old in my first year of welding class, we were taught that being a welder meant getting hurt, deal with it and sacrifice your body for the weld! I dont think they teach that way anymore in school...especially high school Vo-Tech...what remains of those in today's America...and that's why its hard to find really good productive welders anymore...not enough real men out there to fill the jobs...and is why you see very few women in the field...they simply would rather not get hurt! And you WILL get hurt at some point in a metal shop...or you are not working hard enough!
This whole paragraph is hogwash. Sorry, but you are dead wrong and your habits are ill-advised. One good reason to use a glove while TIG welding is to protect your skin from extremely harmful UV light which WILL cause skin cancer. Not might, WILL cause it.

To eschew safety gear is absurdly stupid. "Real men" are smart enough to know the merits of it. What good is a "real man" to himself or family with a permanent disability from a work-related injury where he ignored all practices and policies and thus is not eligible for compensation? He will sit on his fat arse on his couch living off Welfare raising his kids to be stupid. Yeah, that's a "real man" for you :roll: You will only get hurt if you are negligent, stupid, or ill-prepared. It may be trite, but safety is no accident. Yes, there are times when machinery or equipment failure cause unforeseen injuries, but those injuries can be heavily mitigated by wearing proper safety gear. And if you can't TIG weld with a glove on your feed hand, you can't weld for sh!t.

Apologies for the hijack, but this type of irresponsible crapola needs to be called out by responsible people.
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