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Tig welding issues

Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2017 12:15 am
by Thayne78
Good evening all.

To start out I have a Thermal Arc 186.
It stick welds great tig not so good.

When welding I get a fine shower of Sparks and the tungsten burns and all crappy looking.

Pic is of the tungsten after 15 seconds or so of welding.
Machine settings are 1 sec pre flow 30 amps hot start 100 amps max 10 sec post flow. HF on. Machine is on DC. Torch is hooked to the - and the ground to the+.

Red band tungsten ground to about 60 degrees. I started a arc and ran at full pedal for 15 sec.
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Re: Tig welding issues

Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2017 7:30 am
by Poland308
Sparkling tungsten is a gas flow issue.

Re: Tig welding issues

Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2017 9:52 am
by Artie F. Emm
Thayne78 wrote:...the tungsten burns and all crappy looking.... Machine is on DC.
First, welcome to the forum!

If that dark stripe is your weld :-) then yes, it looks like a gas coverage issue. What is your flow rate? Pure argon?

Also, I have to ask, just to get the question out of the way: is that very shiny steel? Or is it aluminum?

Re: Tig welding issues

Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2017 3:52 pm
by MarkL
Artie F. Emm wrote:
If that dark stripe is your weld :-) then yes, it looks like a gas coverage issue.
Also, I have to ask, just to get the question out of the way: is that very shiny steel? Or is it aluminum?
His description indicates that is a picture of the tungsten. It looks like it's on a piece of paper towel. I've never seen a tungsten look like that.

Re: Tig welding issues

Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2017 5:05 pm
by hey_allen
I can barely make out what appears to be a slightly iridescent ball on the end, which I've seen before when I had a leak that was sucking air into the shield gas flow.

Without a clear view of the tungsten, this is purely guessing and speculation on my part.

Re: Tig welding issues

Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2017 5:12 pm
by LtBadd
As others have stated, check your system for leaks and confirm you're using 100% argon

Re: Tig welding issues

Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2017 10:38 pm
by RamboBaby
Looks like you hooked up to an O2 bottle rather than argon.

Re: Tig welding issues

Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2017 11:09 pm
by Artie F. Emm
MarkL wrote: His description indicates...
Geez. My bad, totally missed it.

Re: Tig welding issues

Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2017 11:52 pm
by Thayne78
Sorry for the lack of information.

The picture is of the tungsten on a paper towel.

It was taken with a cellphone and the picture is good on the phone but sucks on the forum. Sorry about that.

The metal is steel that I have ground to a shine.

On a different forum they asked for my location to see if anyone else was close.

I'm in Grafton ND. If anyone is near and wants to help shout out.

Re: Tig welding issues

Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2017 11:56 pm
by Thayne78
Tomorrow I hope to get a chance to remove the covers on the machine and check for a gas leak.

I tried maxing out the regulator and got about 32 seconds before the tungsten went to he!!

Lots of Sparks and arc that went all over.

Re: Tig welding issues

Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2017 11:59 pm
by cj737
Please confirm you are DCEN too ;)

Re: Tig welding issues

Posted: Sat Oct 21, 2017 3:28 am
by noddybrian
If the increased time before the issue occurs is a result of increasing the regulator pressure I would assume it t be a gas blockage - a simple pea-shooter gauge will confirm this or by ear - if that is the cause start with no hose on the regulator & confirm good flow - then check hose for kinks to machine - then remove torch & confirm flow from solonoid valve - then check torch without consumables fitted - then check consumables - some manufacturers tolerances will not work together or it could be as simple as bad a collet .

Re: Tig welding issues

Posted: Sat Oct 21, 2017 7:24 am
by Poland308
Are you still using the factory supplied torch? Or an aftermarket one? Not that an aftermarket one is a bad thing. But I could see where the little hose on the factory one, that goes from the gas fitting on the front of the machine to the torch/machine dinse connection, might leak.

Re: Tig welding issues

Posted: Sun Oct 22, 2017 5:00 pm
by Mojo88
Thayne78 wrote:.....It was taken with a cellphone and the picture is good on the phone but sucks on the forum. Sorry about that..
Many cameras (phones) have 'macro' setting, which is used for very close focus. You likely know this already, but just thought I would toss it out there......

Re: Tig welding issues

Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2017 11:25 pm
by Thayne78
We figured it out.

A bad bottle of argon.
What I'm convinced that it's 75/25 that is miss labeled.

I got a new bottle today it works.

Just because I could I swapped my MIG welders 75/25 tank on and it caused the exact same problem.
Thanks for all your help
Thayne

Re: Tig welding issues

Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2017 11:31 pm
by Thayne78
Mojo88 wrote:
Thayne78 wrote:.....It was taken with a cellphone and the picture is good on the phone but sucks on the forum. Sorry about that..
Many cameras (phones) have 'macro' setting, which is used for very close focus. You likely know this already, but just thought I would toss it out there......

I never thought that the camera on my phone was so good.

It's a cellphone.

I searched the web and got a few pointers and cool. There are adjustments I never thought possible.
Thanks
Thayne78.