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For me, again something a bit different.
This is the gearbox casing of a 1930's Bugatti racecar.
This is a matching numbers chassis, engine, gearbox car to it's important the same gearbox is installed regardless of the time needed to repair the gearbox.
The guy we deal with specialises in servicing of these vintage racecars and this is from one of his customers who tried to reverse the car up a steep(ish) driveway.
This forced the gears apart which then grenaded in the casing.
Unfortunately, our guy we deal with hogged it out pretty savagely just to get everything pretty close to alignment so the gaps were as you see somewhat large.
I ended up fitting Aluminium rods bent to shape to fill the gaps but it still required lots of die grinding and welding to ensure good penetration.
The internals of the casing still require welding but there is some distortion on the casing that I have to run by our customer before I attack the inside of the case.
Not the best welding I've done but then castings are always a crap shoot and you don't know what you've got till you strike an arc.
This is still work in progress and I'll probably die grind some of the welds back and reweld them till I'm happy with them.
Regards Andrew from Oz.

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Awesome! What a cool job, and customer! Can you share your equipment type and its setup? I don't know sheet, but it seems like alignment would be dubious at best for such a critical application as, precise, gear meshing. Was there any kind of jigging or alignment tooling supplied by the customer to assure this? Would be interesting to see if this gearbox actually functions properly when re-assembled. No ding on you, but did the customer over-simplified his problem?

Welds look pretty darn good though. Love to hear more details on that part of it.

Thanks,
Nils
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Nice work.
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Nice work Jeff. What will be used for a sling point on that basket?

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Maybe web strapping on the top four corners I guess.

Andrew, nothing like trying to put together a jig-saw puzzle without all the parts huh?

Nice work guys!
Go break something, then you can weld it back the right way.

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Nils wrote:Awesome job! Can you share your equipment and its setup? Thanks.
The machine I use primarily at work is my OTC AVP300 inverter 300 amp Tig welder from Japan.
I bought it new about 12 or so years ago and at the time it pretty well state of the art.

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It's analogue in setup so it has lots of dials to play with and took a lot of learning as there was basically no info available at the time on inverter machines.
It's lacking some features now compared to the new inverters (mainly adjustable AC Hz frequency I miss) but even now it still has the best AC Balance adjustment of any machine I've used, and I've used a few.
It has hybrid wave, an early version of the Miller Dynasty's ability to change the EN/EP settings in AC waveforms but fixed and very basic.
It's got great pulse settings from less than 0.5 pps up to 500 pps.
It doesn't have a foot pedal which I'd like as my friends Dynasty 350 I use when welding for him after hours has the wireless foot pedal which I like lots.
I've got a Tweco water cooler attached and an 8 meter TigMaster Tig torch I hate as it's so stiff it's like arm wrestling a black Anaconda. I bought the torch in an emergency when I cooked my other one and it was the only one available when I needed it (immediately).
I love the look of the CK Worldwide FlexLoc torch and I think when I get some spare money together I'll get myself one of those.
For home use I've got one of these:

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It's a Kemppi (made in Finland) MLS 2300 and it's verrrrrrrrrry nice.
It's got all the bells and whistles and I sometimes take it into work when I need to do really fine little welds as its adjustable AC Hz frequency up to 250 Hz on AC is worth its weight in gold at times :)
It basically does everything the Dynasty 200DX does (perhaps even a little more) and has another 30 amps as well.
Here in Oz we've basically been neglected by Miller and Lincoln and the Europeans have been very competitive both in product and pricing.
One thing I don't like about though and here the Europeans have been very sneaky is the fact the machines will only accept torches made by the machine manufacturers and not use Dinse fittings for the torches. The earth fittings are Dinse but the torches are not :evil: .
So that's basically what I use for my day to day stuff, they have served me well and no matter how much I tell myself I'd love a Dynasty 350 I just give myself a quick slap and remind myself I might like one but I don't need one. (Yet)
Cheers Andrew from Oz.
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Nils wrote:Awesome! What a cool job, and customer! Can you share your equipment type and its setup? I don't know sheet, but it seems like alignment would be dubious at best for such a critical application as, precise, gear meshing. Was there any kind of jigging or alignment tooling supplied by the customer to assure this? Would be interesting to see if this gearbox actually functions properly when re-assembled. No ding on you, but did the customer over-simplified his problem?

Welds look pretty darn good though. Love to hear more details on that part of it.

Thanks,
Nils
Nils, the photo's don't show it but there is a dummy shaft approx 71mm diameter running through the case aligning the bore from end to end.
The layshaft is an issue as it's basically unsupported and it has moved out of alignment so we'll have to run it by our customer to see which way he wants to go. He's a very good machinist so I'll be guided by him.
If welds need to be cut and rewelded then that's what we'll do, but it's important that only this gearbox goes back in the car.
cheers Andrew.
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Fat Bob wrote: Andrew, nothing like trying to put together a jig-saw puzzle without all the parts huh?
Nice work guys!
I have to admit when I saw the size of the slots hogged out of the case it was a "take a deep breath" moment.
There's also bits the the pics don't show like empty spaces where bolts used to thread into so it's certainly a challenge.
Cheers Andrew from Oz.
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WOW! Very cool, Andrew! Thanks for all the info, enjoyed every word!
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Fat Bob wrote:Nice work Jeff. What will be used for a sling point on that basket?

Maybe web strapping on the top four corners I guess.

Nice work guys!
I'm not sure, Bob. He gave us some photos of him holding tape measure against the pipes, on center of all things. The original didn't have this much of a headrest, but this is what they asked for. I had 2 days to do it in after the materials had to be ordered plus deciphering the info from the photos. The last one they had strapping tied to the backrest somehow but you couldn't tell from the photos. For all I know, they could be screwed to the seat frame. They said it turned out a lot nicer than the original, to where you could tell by looking at the welds that a steel fab person had welded it, and that it had taken substantially longer to build. I modified the measurements, outside of the critical ones, to be able to use a singular layout as a control point throughout, with all subsequent parts superimposed within it.

I kept thinking throughout the build that some gearhead would find a way to stick a motor and wheels on it. :D
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Nice work on the transmission too. Nothing wrong with those welds. It isn't like you can just go from one end of a joint to the other with predictable travel etc. I have welded a lot of cast. The only way welds really come out any neater is if it's something superficial just to stop a leak or something like that. Broken items take a lot more focus on the mechanical function of the weld over the aesthetics anyway, and that looks great for what had to happen there. It would have taken a second pass, and nobody welding cast wants to heat it up more than necessary or more than one time if they can help it.
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Awill4wd.

Concerning the Bugatti gearbox, I am assuming it was cracked in all the areas that you welded.

Why did you choose a large gap to weld?
Was sequence of which gaps to weld first, a factor?
Was the direction of welding for each gap a consideration?

I enjoyed your contribution.
Tanks.

Alexa
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Alexa wrote:Awill4wd.
Concerning the Bugatti gearbox, I am assuming it was cracked in all the areas that you welded.
Why did you choose a large gap to weld?
Was sequence of which gaps to weld first, a factor?
Was the direction of welding for each gap a consideration?
I enjoyed your contribution.
Tanks.

Alexa
Alexa, I had no input into the size of the "cracks", this was done by our customer prior to him delivering it to our factory.
I wish I had some input as I could have advised him not to make the cutouts as large as they actually finished up.
I chose to weld at the end of the gearbox as the cracks there were smaller and I wanted to keep everything around the shaft bores are rigid as possible.
For the large cracks I spread the welding around going from crack to crack and trying to keep the heat as even as possible throughout the casing.
Regards Andrew from Oz.
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Finished a truck ladder/canoe rack for a customer today -

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Awill42d.

When you deposited weld metal for the large 'cracks', did you butter (build of the sides of the joint) before welding the center of the joint?

Tanks for your patience.
Alexa
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Alexa wrote:Awill42d.
When you deposited weld metal for the large 'cracks', did you butter (build of the sides of the joint) before welding the center of the joint?
Tanks for your patience.
Alexa
No Alexa, I filled the large cracks with 6mm diameter rods bent to shape and tacked either side of the rod on the outside of the casing.
I then used a die grinder to cut a groove on one side of the rod and welded that side and then did the same to one of the other cracks.
I then returned to the 1st crack and grooved out the other side of the rod and welded that side until all the cracks were close to filled and I then capped the weld area to tie it all together.
I was very careful to ensure good penetration and try to control the heat so the casing was evenly heated while welding.
I did consider buttering either side but decided to use rod to fill the cracks instead.
Regards Andrew.
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Awill4wd.

Tanks.
I enjoyed your reading your procedure.

Alexa
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AKmud, nice rack! Curious, do those extensions, protruding out from under the shell, create a gap along the bed rail, or is there a plate there as well?

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Great work pictures buddy and a interesting thread Spokesy :)

Great to find another Kemppi fan :D
Have you awill4wd liked MINILOG-function?
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Nils wrote:AKmud, nice rack! Curious, do those extensions, protruding out from under the shell, create a gap along the bed rail, or is there a plate there as well?

Thanks,
Nils
The owner routed out some 1" trex material (full bed rail length) around the plate and mounting bolts to have a smooth surface to mate to. Worked out pretty slick. He will have to adjust the rubber flap on the back window to shut tight though.
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Markus wrote:Great work pictures buddy and a interesting thread Spokesy :)

Great to find another Kemppi fan :D
Have you awill4wd liked MINILOG-function?
MarKus, I use MiniLog as my default setting and use it all the time.
It was worth buying the MLS 2300 just to get the MiniLog function. :D
I refuse to pay Kemppi's inflated price on their foot pedal which I like also as my friend where I work after hours has the foot pedal arrangement on his MLS 2300.
Regards Andrew from Oz.
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awill4wd wrote:
Markus wrote:Great work pictures buddy and a interesting thread Spokesy :)

Great to find another Kemppi fan :D
Have you awill4wd liked MINILOG-function?
MarKus, I use MiniLog as my default setting and use it all the time.
It was worth buying the MLS 2300 just to get the MiniLog function. :D
I refuse to pay Kemppi's inflated price on their foot pedal which I like also as my friend where I work after hours has the foot pedal arrangement on his MLS 2300.
Regards Andrew from Oz.
Any TIG Welder work in Oz mate :D ?
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SPOKESY wrote: Any TIG Welder work in Oz mate :D ?
Like most countries worldwide there's been a slowing down in employment.
We here certainly haven't been hit as hard as the USA and Europe but over the last 18 months or so there's been a noticeable decrease in the jobs advertised.
I work in a 2 person shop and we tend to complement each other, the boss looks after the sprintcar chassis repair side of things and I tend to do everything else. We've been pretty lucky and had enough work to keep us both going (just enough at times) with a couple of quiet weeks but at least we're still ticking over and I'm able to put a wage on the table every week.
The slowing down of China's minerals demand has hit the Oz mining sector that has basically held the Oz economy up.
The contraction in the mining sector means workers moving back into the manufacturing side which is slow anyway and often they have unrealistic expectations about wages potential compared to what they were being payed in the mines.
Luckily we own our house and don't live a expensive lifestyle so we make ends meet and save a bit which more than some other unfortunates.
Cheers Andrew from Oz.
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Thanks for reply :D
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Not actually today, but a project i did a while ago.

Stainless 316L frames for UV-lights. The units have 4 or 6 pcs. 130W UV tubes! They make a hell of alot ozon when test running them, and they will burn your eyes (like welding) in relative few seconds. Really nasty stuff. :evil:

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