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Re: Am I crazy!? Starting out with TIG.

Postby Stevo450 » Tue Apr 19, 2016 10:33 am

Wow! An overwhelming number of positive comments with the general go-for-it! Pretty excited and now would like advice on a good TIG welder...
BRAND?
MODEL?
ACCESSORIES? ( electrodes, foot pedal, gas lens, filler wire...I dunno anything worth getting )
PPE?
GAS?

Once I've acquired a machine I'd probably start practicing on some mild steel and aluminium ( bear that in mind when suggesting accessories :) )
So what is a good grade of aluminium to practice on?
Obviously there are a number of basic welds I'll need to work on ( lap joins etc ) but what's a good way to start?
Lots of questions..............
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Re: Am I crazy!? Starting out with TIG.

Postby LtBadd » Tue Apr 19, 2016 7:49 pm

Stevo450 wrote:a good TIG welder...
BRAND?
MODEL?
ACCESSORIES? ( electrodes, foot pedal, gas lens, filler wire...I dunno anything worth getting )
PPE?
GAS?

Once I've acquired a machine I'd probably start practicing on some mild steel and aluminium ( bear that in mind when suggesting accessories :) )
So what is a good grade of aluminium to practice on?
Obviously there are a number of basic welds I'll need to work on ( lap joins etc ) but what's a good way to start?
Lots of questions..............


What's your budget for a machine?
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Re: Am I crazy!? Starting out with TIG.

Postby Stevo450 » Tue Apr 19, 2016 8:11 pm

LtBadd wrote:
Stevo450 wrote:a good TIG welder...
BRAND?
MODEL?
ACCESSORIES? ( electrodes, foot pedal, gas lens, filler wire...I dunno anything worth getting )
PPE?
GAS?

Once I've acquired a machine I'd probably start practicing on some mild steel and aluminium ( bear that in mind when suggesting accessories :) )
So what is a good grade of aluminium to practice on?
Obviously there are a number of basic welds I'll need to work on ( lap joins etc ) but what's a good way to start?
Lots of questions..............


What's your budget for a machine?


I'm willing to spend up to ( maybe more ) $2500 AUD....
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Re: Am I crazy!? Starting out with TIG.

Postby MosquitoMoto » Tue Apr 19, 2016 8:53 pm

Stevo -


After absolute minimum dabbling with stick, I started out on Tig, with a focus on aluminium. As others have said, so much comes down to seat time and you will use up a LOT of argon. And that is expensive.

I am reasonably happy with my progress and can now weld strong, functional parts, although I wouldn't go so far as to call them pretty yet. In my early days I was out at the bench every single night welding scrap, watching videos, welding more, taking notes. Take plenty of notes!

I don't have any association with Tokentools but I can recommend them. My Metalmaster Elite 215 cost under $2K and will handle low and fairly high amp work, all metals. It also has an onboard stick welder and plasma cutter, which is handy. Pete at Tokentools really backs up his stuff - call him and he will help you, no doubt about it. In my opinion that counts for a lot.

One tip - if you deal with Pete at Token, be sure to specify a smaller torch than the mega sized 26 that comes standard with the welding machine.

Have fun!



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Re: Am I crazy!? Starting out with TIG.

Postby rick9345 » Tue Apr 19, 2016 9:13 pm

When starting out buy the tig "TRICK" :lol: accessory of the week till one figures out it is seat time practice as stated.
Practice and notes and more practice. Most of the welds one does will never be seen except by the welder,self analyse important.
One will learn new word usage :roll: and have fun.. This forum can be helpful.
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Re: Am I crazy!? Starting out with TIG.

Postby weldit321@gmail.com » Wed Apr 20, 2016 8:47 pm

Get an everlast 256s Its an AC/DC Tig, Stick, Plasma cutter combo unit for around $1800 USD. It has pulse settings which could help you with getting good bead appearance on tig welding before you master pedal control. I've had mine for a little over 3 years and love it. They come with a 5 year warranty and are easy to figure out (dont let all the dials confuse you)Image
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Re: Am I crazy!? Starting out with TIG.

Postby MosquitoMoto » Wed Apr 20, 2016 8:58 pm

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Just FYI for the OP, I have heard it said on several occasions that the Metalmaster (Tokentools) machine is simply the Everlast machine (above) rebranded.

Don't know this for sure but they look like twins - same features, basically one is green, the other red, some differences in the user interface. Like the Everlast machine in the states, the Metalmaster in Australia also carries a 5 year warranty.

Again, I have no business association with Tokentools, have just had good experiences dealing with them.



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Re: Am I crazy!? Starting out with TIG.

Postby Harry72 » Wed Apr 20, 2016 11:41 pm

If you intend to weld ally you will need at least a 200amp machine... your budget will just cover that including a bottle of gas.
What ever you do dont be fooled by the cheaper Chinese machines, here in oz this will leave you with brands like token tools and Everlast... Unimig newer models. CIG and WIA do have machines in this price range but they a low on features you may need in the near future. Most American brands here are exuberantly priced and aimed more towards the professionals.

And yeah as others have said be specific about what torch you want when you order your machine... I just upgraded mine from a wp18 @12' long to a CK20 (wp20 style)@25' long superflex cables and it was just over $700 AU.
My machine is a Everlast 210ext and W300 water cooler and E2 sized bottle... with this torch added Im hitting over $4k and then come all the consumable bits!
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Re: Am I crazy!? Starting out with TIG.

Postby MosquitoMoto » Thu Apr 21, 2016 12:44 am

Just some more thoughts as they come to mind for the benefit (hopefully) of the OP:

Before purchasing I had folks tell me "Forget different wave forms, forget pulse, you'll never use that stuff." But I started using those features within a couple month of receiving the machine. Very handy.

I was also told that a memory function on the machine was just a gimmick, but I now use it all the time. When you find the perfect settings for a material/job, it's great to be able to call them up again later at the touch of a button.

Finally, some people reckoned that the generalised 'welding for dummies' AC and DC settings on my machine would be a crutch - I'd never learn to set up the machine myself, I'd just use these numpty settings all the time. I found quite the opposite - using these to start with helped build my confidence very quickly in the early days. Now and then today they are still handy as a reference point when I am setting up the machine.

Hope this stuff is helpful, anyhow.



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Re: Am I crazy!? Starting out with TIG.

Postby Stevo450 » Thu Apr 21, 2016 11:08 am

Again a big thanks to everyone for their inputs!! It's really encouraging to get all these positive responses to my question and a the info given is definitely making me this very carefully about what machine I should be looking at before I dive in and buy the first TIG machine I see!
I would love one with stick/arc welding and plasma but those are bonuses.

As for brand I'm a sucker for 'brand names' only because I've been burn by 'cheap' stuff before-not saying that suggested machines are no good I'll just need a LOT of convincing before I buy.

Perhaps in my quest for a machine I should maybe ask for the machines ratings ( amps output ) and features-pulse settings, square wave etc etc the reason I want a rather I depth machine is because I plan to develop ( over time of corse ) my TIG welding skills to the point where I would have to use the functions that come with the machine...
Hope that makes sense.....?

I gues I'm going to have to get myself geared up for a larger than expected outlay for a TIG!
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