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questions from a new guy

Posted: Thu Mar 30, 2017 11:01 am
by Scott Morris
Have always wanted to learn to weld. Bought a Lincoln Pro Mig 180 running on 220v. The cylinder is 75/25. I have attached some pics to show where I am at. Please try not to laugh too hard, it took me a while just to get to this point. I seem to reached a plateau and not improving. Hoping someone or lots of someone's could help go over this hurdle to keep getting better. I am using .020 wire, holding the gun 90ยบ to the weld. Have tried different cursive techniques. These particular welds were made with a setting of 5 on the wire speed and D on the volts for those familiar with the Lincoln 180. Have tried all different settings including those shown on the chart in the welder. This has produced the best welds so far on this particular metal....
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Re: questions from a new guy

Posted: Thu Mar 30, 2017 3:52 pm
by PeteM
Is that steel filler metal that you are using?

I've never seen anything like that.

Re: questions from a new guy

Posted: Thu Mar 30, 2017 3:54 pm
by Scott Morris
PeteM wrote:Is that steel filler metal that you are using?

I've never seen anything like that.
Steel bought from Lowes....


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Re: questions from a new guy

Posted: Thu Mar 30, 2017 4:07 pm
by PeteM
I would check the spool. That actually looks like aluminum.

Otherwise, it would be the usual suspects. Correct polarity, adequate shield gas, etc.

Re: questions from a new guy

Posted: Thu Mar 30, 2017 4:48 pm
by Scott Morris
PeteM wrote:I would check the spool. That actually looks like aluminum.

Otherwise, it would be the usual suspects. Correct polarity, adequate shield gas, etc.
The polarity is correct, 75/25 in the bottle, Mild steel Mig wire L56...... spool is free just a very, very slight amount of drag.


Thanks

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Re: questions from a new guy

Posted: Thu Mar 30, 2017 4:57 pm
by PeteM
These types of things are usually best addressed in person. Sorry I couldn't be of any help to you.

Good luck.

Re: questions from a new guy

Posted: Thu Mar 30, 2017 5:02 pm
by exnailpounder
Wow..that's a mess. Your metal looks really dirty and that might be part of your problem but I have only seen spatter that bad with flux core...something else is wrong.

Re: questions from a new guy

Posted: Thu Mar 30, 2017 5:12 pm
by Scott Morris
PeteM wrote:These types of things are usually best addressed in person. Sorry I couldn't be of any help to you.

Good luck.
Thanks, will take all the advice I can get.


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Re: questions from a new guy

Posted: Thu Mar 30, 2017 5:36 pm
by PeteM
exnailpounder wrote:...something else is wrong.
I agree.

Re: questions from a new guy

Posted: Thu Mar 30, 2017 6:58 pm
by Farmwelding
Scott Morris wrote:
PeteM wrote:I would check the spool. That actually looks like aluminum.

Otherwise, it would be the usual suspects. Correct polarity, adequate shield gas, etc.
The polarity is correct, 75/25 in the bottle, Mild steel Mig wire L56...... spool is free just a very, very slight amount of drag.


Thanks

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Checklist
Polarity DC electrode positive
75/25 gas
Standard mig wire
Quality ground
Correct CFH-15-20 CFH
Played with various settings
Stick out
Just things to try that might do something and double/triple check everything.

Re: questions from a new guy

Posted: Thu Mar 30, 2017 8:48 pm
by Poland308
Can you post a picture of your mig gun? Looks like a gas issue. Might be plugged up in the gas nozzle.

Re: questions from a new guy

Posted: Thu Mar 30, 2017 9:20 pm
by Farmwelding
Poland308 wrote:Can you post a picture of your mig gun? Looks like a gas issue. Might be plugged up in the gas nozzle.
I agree, but I've run a fair share of mig with no gas due to idiocracy, diagnosed at birth, and that is part of it but there is something more. Another good question is what kind of steel and where did you get it from. Could be some weird alloy that does crazy stuff or has some weird contaminant.

Re: questions from a new guy

Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2017 4:49 am
by Scott Morris
Poland308 wrote:Can you post a picture of your mig gun? Looks like a gas issue. Might be plugged up in the gas nozzle.
Sure, when it is daylight out I will post a pic. When I press the trigger, I can feel the gas coming out. In response to someone else, the metal I am using to practice was purchased at Lowes.



Thanks

SM

Re: questions from a new guy

Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2017 8:43 am
by Scott Morris
Here ya go... Doesn't look like it in the pics but there is an opening around the nozzle the gas comes out of. There is definitely gas coming out of it.

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Re: questions from a new guy

Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2017 9:14 am
by PeteM
So, that black cap is called the diffuser cover. The diffuser cover prevents spatter from destroying the diffuser when using self shielded flux core wire.

The diffuser evenly distributes shield gas within the nozzle to create a laminar gas pocket around the weld pool.

You have to take that black cover off and put a standard nozzle for that type of gun on to have gas coverage of your welds.

You should also clean the nozzle every so often to prevent blockage and maintain adequate shield gas coverage.

Re: questions from a new guy

Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2017 10:06 am
by Scott Morris
PeteM wrote:So, that black cap is called the diffuser cover. The diffuser cover prevents spatter from destroying the diffuser when using self shielded flux core wire.

The diffuser evenly distributes shield gas within the nozzle to create a laminar gas pocket around the weld pool.

You have to take that black cover off and put a standard nozzle for that type of gun on to have gas coverage of your welds.

You should also clean the nozzle every so often to prevent blockage and maintain adequate shield gas coverage.

Wow..... you are one hundred percent correct. Just looking through the manual and I found what you are talking about. I don't find the other nozzle anywhere. Going to lowes to see if they carry it... Thank you very much.


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Re: questions from a new guy

Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2017 10:17 am
by PeteM
Scott Morris wrote:
Wow..... you are one hundred percent correct. Just looking through the manual and I found what you are talking about. I don't find the other nozzle anywhere. Going to lowes to see if they carry it... Thank you very much.


SM
:) Thanks, but to be fair, it was Polands idea to get the pic.

You should be good to go with some clean steel. Happy welding.

ps. You'll want to turn down those settings back into a more normal range for that wire too.

Re: questions from a new guy

Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2017 11:52 am
by cherwolf
Yesterday watched a video about his welder, the boring guy there stated, that that machine comes with flux core tip on gun, as I have never welded flux core, kept my 2 cts in pocket.

The video -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6WzZ_LoDSg

Re: questions from a new guy

Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2017 2:49 pm
by Scott Morris
Amazing the difference a tip makes. Now with that problem solved. Thank y'all very much!! What could I do to improve from this bead?

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Re: questions from a new guy

Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2017 4:24 pm
by exnailpounder
PeteM wrote:So, that black cap is called the diffuser cover. The diffuser cover prevents spatter from destroying the diffuser when using self shielded flux core wire.

The diffuser evenly distributes shield gas within the nozzle to create a laminar gas pocket around the weld pool.

You have to take that black cover off and put a standard nozzle for that type of gun on to have gas coverage of your welds.

You should also clean the nozzle every so often to prevent blockage and maintain adequate shield gas coverage.
Pete NAILED IT. Pictures sure do help.

Re: questions from a new guy

Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2017 5:29 pm
by PeteM
Scott Morris wrote: What could I do to improve from this bead?
That is pretty decent. I'd try stacking them side by side for a nice even pad. From there its on to different joint configurations, positions, bevels, tube, pipe etc.

A nice bead is like the keys to the kingdom. Once you have that, you can take it as far as you want.

Re: questions from a new guy

Posted: Sat Apr 01, 2017 3:47 pm
by Scott Morris
PeteM wrote:
Scott Morris wrote: What could I do to improve from this bead?
That is pretty decent. I'd try stacking them side by side for a nice even pad. From there its on to different joint configurations, positions, bevels, tube, pipe etc.

A nice bead is like the keys to the kingdom. Once you have that, you can take it as far as you want.
Thanks, will work on what you suggested...

SM

Re: questions from a new guy

Posted: Tue Apr 04, 2017 4:02 pm
by Granddaddy
that is a pretty common mistake when you are in a hurry to play with a new toy, I did the same thing and had to go back to the manual and when a friend was telling me about his problems when he was knocking the new off of his 180 he had done the same thing, it's amazing what a difference it makes. I read the manual a little before firing up the next machine.

good welding.

creek

Re: questions from a new guy

Posted: Wed Apr 05, 2017 8:06 am
by motox
Jody has several great videos on mig-mig set up.
more then worth the time to watch.
craig

Re: questions from a new guy

Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2017 10:18 am
by Scott Morris
motox wrote:Jody has several great videos on mig-mig set up.
more then worth the time to watch.
craig
I have watched everyone of his MIG videos. They have been a big help....


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