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Re: Welding cast to steel

Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2011 12:30 pm
by kermdawg
That rod I was talkin about- Cronatron Cronacast 211, part number CW1034.

Website-http://www.cronatronwelding.com

Re: Welding cast to steel

Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2011 5:24 pm
by Otto Nobedder
kermdawg, I just looked up the rod you referred to. It's apparently for cast iron, while I expect the steering knuckles he's working on are cast steel. Cast iron has a high carbon content compared to steel.

The formulation of the cast steel and the axle tubes should be similar; It's the crystal structure that differs. This leads to different shrinkage rates upon cooling, and carbon infiltration from a mild steel filler is a likely cause of the cracking. I think this is why I've had success using 309 to mig and tig cast parts. I've never had to do this weld in a critical application, however.

jpence has the best suggestion. Find someone with experience with this particular application (a site for rock-crawler builders should have good prospects), or get an analysis of the alloy and consult a pro at one of the major welding suppliers.

Steve

Re: Welding cast to steel

Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2011 6:46 pm
by kermdawg
DOH! lol nevermind me. I saw cast and thought cast iron-must be the plumber in me. Sorry!

Re: Welding cast to steel

Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2011 3:43 am
by samydavisjr
Welding axle is complete. I bought Ni lincoln rod but it would not run worth a shit. I ended up welding it with 7018 an inch ir so at a time and jumping around quite a bit. It welded very nicely and with no cracking. I preheated at 350 and post heated down to room temp over 24 hours. Seems they may have used a high quality cast.

Sam

Re: Welding cast to steel

Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2011 6:04 pm
by Otto Nobedder
Congratulations!

"Perfect" is anything you don't have to do twice. :D

Steve

Re: Welding cast to steel

Posted: Fri Apr 08, 2011 2:42 am
by weldin mike 27
The motor heads really do some dodgy shit. But They don't show what happens days and weeks later when parts give up because of crap welding techniques.

Re: Welding cast to steel

Posted: Fri Apr 08, 2011 7:57 pm
by Otto Nobedder
Samydavisjr,

Now that your project is done, I've just noticed that on the semi-trailer axles I encounter the cast is welded to the tubes with what appears to be a dual-shield process. Admittedly, these appear to be done robotically, but this might be worth filing away for future reference. (If you can MIG, or if you can do flux-core, you can do dual-shield.)

Steve

Re: Welding cast to steel

Posted: Thu Nov 24, 2011 5:37 am
by TheExpert
I am agree with Otto Nobedder. I think also same.