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Completely over-engineered welding cart.

Posted: Fri Oct 21, 2016 3:19 pm
by xrotate
Hello,

First I wanted to say a big thank you to Jody and everyone on these forums (and a couple other forums as well). I've been lurking and picking up ideas and tips on how to "do it better". All the videos and posts have helped me immensely. So thank you one and all and apologies in advance for the long post.

Quick background: I was a machinist for almost 20 years so I was always around welding. I learned the basics and did odd/one-off jobs using MIG, Stick and a little TIG. Not certified in any way. (My welds are from the Gorilla school as one guy put it. Big, Strong and ugly) I moved out of the machining trade about 10 years ago and I'm now an IT consultant. I still love to design, fab and build though.

So, a while ago I wanted to build an aluminum rack for my truck. I have access to a shop with a Millermatic 250 MIG and a Syncrowave 250 TIG. Both are older machines, functional but with a few problems each. The Syncrowave has leaks. From the flowmeter, which I replaced, another argon leak from "somewhere else: (Probably the solenoid.) and a small water leak on the big 18 torch. The MIG needs the liner and regulator replaced. A more experienced welder would have been able to overcome these problems but for me it was turning into a constant battle, especially when trying to TIG weld aluminum.

Rather than spend money on the older machines (which aren't mine) I decided I "needed" a TIG welder (preferably an inverter with a lot of the newer features, pulse, frequency, etc.) which led to deciding I needed a MIG welder(with a spool gun) which led to buying a plasma cutter. (just to round things out, :D )

First let me say, I'm a big Miller fan and if I was in the trades, welding for a living, I probably would have bought all Miller equipment, but being for mostly "hobbyist" work, I just couldn't justify the price. So that's why I chose the equipment I did.

Current equipment is:

Everlast Powertig 250ex w/ water cooler (upgraded SSC foot pedal, CK20-SF-FX torch. 18 series torch that came with the machine.)
Hobart Handler 190 w/ spool gun (Kind of wish I had bought the 210 MVP but oh well.)
Longevity ForceCut 40d plasma cutter.

Well, after buying the equipment, I realized the $80 HotMax cart I bought (which BTW is barely useful for the light plasma cutter) just wasn't going to cut it and the weld cart project began.

All the cart "frame" was built with 1.25, 11ga square tubing. Processes used were, TIG (Tacking, end caps and small parts, because that's what Jody does :lol: ), MIG (C25 gas, .035 wire for the main construction due to speed and that's what was in the Millermatic 250) and Flux Core (They had to take the Millermatic out on a job, I didn't have a tank for the Hobart yet and I had always wanted to try welding with flux core.)

And here are some pics.

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Just the empty cart. No pics of actual construction as Jody's videos have that well covered.

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Wired for both welders and the plasma cutter. Which I will probably wind up putting on the cart at some point. Also shown is the bracket for holding clamps, grinders, etc.

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I wanted an angle design shelf for the welders so had to put a back stop to keep them from sliding off.

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Needless to say but I like lead/jacket/helmet holders. The cart has (8) of the plate/pipe ones, the main handle and (2) pipe ones under the main handle.

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Mig gun holder idea I unashamedly borrowed from someones post.

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After making a filler rod holder (which was right after seeing Jody's video on the subject. :idea: ) I had to have somewhere to keep it.

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Chain and banjo slot setup for the gas tanks.

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I designed the cart for (2) of the large 330 CF tanks. One straight Argon and one C25 mix.

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Not a great pic but this is a 1/4 NPT 6-port manifold. (Which BTW was only $16 from Home Depot.) Once I get all the ball valves, check valves and weld gas hose fittings in, all gas lines will run through it. This will allow me to add purge lines, Helium tank if needed, etc.

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Now we're getting somewhere

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What can I say, had to have a tool box to keep consumables, etc. in.

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OK, these last two are of my "what can I do to make my cart special" idea. This happened right after someone (not me) left the gas on the Syncrowave and it leaked all the argon out. I decided to be nice and take it to the LWS. I had also forgotten how heavy those 330's can be even empty, so... One bottle loading ramp... :mrgreen:

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Well thanks for making it this far. I'd also like to list a few musings I had along the way.

Never let a machinist design a welded anything. This was over the top and will probably be the last weld cart I ever build.

All welds do NOT needs to be sanded flush to look like one solid piece of metal. (That came from the machinist in me. :roll: )

Stepping down 1 size in tubing (Jody used 1.5 11ga) and using 4 times the amount of steel does NOT equal a savings in weight. This cart is freaking heavy.

TIG fingers really are worth the money. (Shameless plug for Jody.)

You only get better at welding by practice and listening to those with more experience.

Is the design or are the welds perfect? Nope
Is it what I wanted and is it mine? Hell yes.

Re: Completely over-engineered welding cart.

Posted: Fri Oct 21, 2016 3:48 pm
by exnailpounder
:shock: Nice freakin cart man! If you hadn't stated you are a machinist, I would have suspected it anyway :lol: Bravo!

Re: Completely over-engineered welding cart.

Posted: Fri Oct 21, 2016 3:59 pm
by ldbtx
Nice! I like it. Especially like the bottle ramp. Great idea.

Re: Completely over-engineered welding cart.

Posted: Fri Oct 21, 2016 7:17 pm
by Poland308
Well done. You defiantly put some thought into it.

Re: Completely over-engineered welding cart.

Posted: Fri Oct 21, 2016 7:19 pm
by LtBadd
Nice cart to say the least, we now expect nothing less on your forth coming project. :lol:

Re: Completely over-engineered welding cart.

Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2016 1:42 am
by w2a
I agree, nice job on the cart. I am very new at welding(hobbyist) and anticipate building a cart as one of my first projects. Unlikely to be engineered quite as heavily as yours but we'll see how that goes. :lol:
BTW I just got a Hobart 190 w/spool gun as well. My first welder and should see me through many projects.

Craig B

Re: Completely over-engineered welding cart.

Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2016 10:43 am
by RamboBaby
My first thought before I got to some of the captions in the photos:
That looks really nice but it also looks heavy as F@$&!

Keep up the good work but don't EVER let that beast roll over your toes.

Re: Completely over-engineered welding cart.

Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2016 7:39 am
by xrotate
Thanks for all the great replies.

Would have replied sooner but I've been in the mountains for the past week. :D
LtBadd wrote:Nice cart to say the least, we now expect nothing less on your forth coming project. :lol:
Yeah, one of my first thoughts after finishing this was "What the hell do I build now." :?

w2a wrote:I agree, nice job on the cart. I am very new at welding(hobbyist) and anticipate building a cart as one of my first projects. Unlikely to be engineered quite as heavily as yours but we'll see how that goes. :lol:
BTW I just got a Hobart 190 w/spool gun as well. My first welder and should see me through many projects.

Craig B
Good luck on your cart (looking forward to seeing pics.) and you never know. Some projects just seem to take on a life of their own if you let them. :twisted:

I like the 190, the only reasons I mentioned the 210 were the dual voltage and it would let me use the spool gun on slightly thicker aluminum.

Neither one would ever make as "nice" a weld on aluminum as TIG (at least not in my hands) but for some situations I can see the spool gun coming in handy.

But, it's not reason enough to justify me getting rid of the 190 though and I look forward to using it for hopefully many years to come.
RamboBaby wrote:My first thought before I got to some of the captions in the photos:
That looks really nice but it also looks heavy as F@$&!

Keep up the good work but don't EVER let that beast roll over your toes.
No kidding. By the end, it was more a case of the cart man-handling me rather than me man-handling it.

Anyway, thanks again all and I look forward to using the forum and checking out all the great ideas and suggestions.

Re: Completely over-engineered welding cart.

Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2016 11:09 am
by Boomer63
I had a welding table years ago that had a lot of bells and whistles on it, but I had something you don't!! LOL! I had a moveable holder for my bottles of Boone's Farm Wine; the welders helper, back in the day. Hey man! I over-engineer everything I build. I think it looks great!
Gary

Re: Completely over-engineered welding cart.

Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2016 7:29 am
by motox
i don't think you can ever "over engineer" a project.
every time i build something, when i am finished,
i always seem to find something i could have added
to make it better.
craig

Re: Completely over-engineered welding cart.

Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2016 11:11 am
by Boomer63
motox wrote:i don't think you can ever "over engineer" a project.
every time i build something, when i am finished,
i always seem to find something i could have added
to make it better.
craig
Sir, you are correct! There is no substitute for having the tools or supplies you need at your fingertips. Why not make life easy?

Re: Completely over-engineered welding cart.

Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2017 10:34 pm
by PhillerTime
Looks great!

Re: Completely over-engineered welding cart.

Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2017 4:31 am
by C. Livingstone
Nice one!

It doesn't seem over-engineer or inelegant to me, as its obviously designed to do exactly what you want and not much more or less. I might have even been tempted to put one more shelf above the units.

I like your choice of having the ability to put at least two units on the top shelf while also facing the same as the side-draw tool cabinent. I have a side-draw welding cabinent which mostly only allows for one larger unit to face forward, but my space is more limited.

I also like the vertical tendency shown. Vertical saves floor space.

And, of course, your choice of integrating some diamond plate (or/and expanded metal) into any project proves that your design accumen is superior to that of your peers. Ha, ha, ha... Not really, but its just a favorite material and choice of mine.

So, what are you going to do for a paint finish? I saw photos of cool custom cart recently with a Rustoleum "hammered" and somewhat two-color paint finish that was pretty cool. I think the guy even told me it was brushed on, surprisingly.

Re: Completely over-engineered welding cart.

Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2017 9:45 am
by welder1958
Nice cart. I'm in the process of building one but mine won't be that elaborate. Not sure if I'll post any pictures of it because my welds suck for now. Still practicing..... haha

Re: Completely over-engineered welding cart.

Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2017 11:47 am
by Rudy Ray
Very nice cart, well thought out. I have a new machine coming and you sir have given me some really good ideas that I just might "borrow". The bottle ramp is ingenious. One question, where does the beer cooler go?

Re: Completely over-engineered welding cart.

Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2017 1:32 pm
by exnailpounder
Rudy Ray wrote:Very nice cart, well thought out. I have a new machine coming and you sir have given me some really good ideas that I just might "borrow". The bottle ramp is ingenious. One question, where does the beer cooler go?
You have to design your cart AROUND the beer cooler. I been kicking around how to build a beer cooler/tig cooler that could handle both jobs at once without the beer getting warm :?

Re: Completely over-engineered welding cart.

Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2017 11:33 pm
by pscampsr
All you need is a hoist to handle the gas bottles and a motor to push that big thing around... Other than that, it is really well built, the design is good and it will be something you can pass down to your grand children. I like it very much.

Re: Completely over-engineered welding cart.

Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2017 11:43 pm
by electrode
Nice, but you should have added a steel rack while you were at it. :D Seriously though, nice job. 8-)

Re: Completely over-engineered welding cart.

Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2017 7:23 pm
by Otto Nobedder
exnailpounder wrote:
Rudy Ray wrote:Very nice cart, well thought out. I have a new machine coming and you sir have given me some really good ideas that I just might "borrow". The bottle ramp is ingenious. One question, where does the beer cooler go?
You have to design your cart AROUND the beer cooler. I been kicking around how to build a beer cooler/tig cooler that could handle both jobs at once without the beer getting warm :?
Easy. Use the cooling coil of your TIG unit as the heat source for an ammonia-cycle refrigerator, like from an RV. The hotter/harder/faster you weld, the colder your beer gets!
8-)

Steve S

Re: Completely over-engineered welding cart.

Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2017 6:44 pm
by exnailpounder
Otto Nobedder wrote:
exnailpounder wrote:
Rudy Ray wrote:Very nice cart, well thought out. I have a new machine coming and you sir have given me some really good ideas that I just might "borrow". The bottle ramp is ingenious. One question, where does the beer cooler go?
You have to design your cart AROUND the beer cooler. I been kicking around how to build a beer cooler/tig cooler that could handle both jobs at once without the beer getting warm :?
Easy. Use the cooling coil of your TIG unit as the heat source for an ammonia-cycle refrigerator, like from an RV. The hotter/harder/faster you weld, the colder your beer gets!
8-)

Steve S
That I could probably do but ...where do I put the straw? :lol:

Re: Completely over-engineered welding cart.

Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2017 11:24 pm
by electrode
exnailpounder wrote: That I could probably do but ...where do I put the straw? :lol:
In your mouth! :D :P

Re: Completely over-engineered welding cart.

Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2017 11:27 pm
by Poland308
Beer and straws don't go togeather except in emergencies.

Re: Completely over-engineered welding cart.

Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2017 9:56 am
by exnailpounder
electrode wrote:
exnailpounder wrote: That I could probably do but ...where do I put the straw? :lol:
In your mouth! :D :P
:lol: You got me there!.lol. Maybe to simplify things I can just weld up a bracket for my hood like those baseball helmets with the beer holders on the sides :lol: The first part of having a problem is admitting you have a problem so figuring out a beer delivery system would technically a 12 step program...right?? :lol:

Re: Completely over-engineered welding cart.

Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2017 3:30 pm
by electrode
exnailpounder wrote:
electrode wrote:
exnailpounder wrote: That I could probably do but ...where do I put the straw? :lol:
In your mouth! :D :P
:lol: You got me there!.lol. Maybe to simplify things I can just weld up a bracket for my hood like those baseball helmets with the beer holders on the sides :lol: The first part of having a problem is admitting you have a problem so figuring out a beer delivery system would technically a 12 step program...right?? :lol:
Or just put the OP's cart on your helmet with a large cooler attached on the bottom shelf. :lol:

Re: Completely over-engineered welding cart.

Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2017 4:59 pm
by exnailpounder
:lol: